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Stereoscopic 3D workflow in Vegas Pro 10

Stereoscopic 3D workflow in Vegas Pro 10

 

    Stereoscopic 3D Adjust filter

    1. Are there tools for tuning 3D depth alignment?
    2. The values used in the Stereoscopic 3D Adjust filter are not specific units. Why aren’t these values displayed as pixels or degrees?
    3. Can you use the 3D plug-in to turn 2D videos into 3D videos?
    4. When I use my Bloggie3D, I sometimes need to align the material. Is there something wrong?
    5. How can we animate the settings in the Stereoscopic Adjust plug-in?
    6. How can I determine the far point deviation? For large screens like cinema productions the far point should not be larger than 1% but how do you calculate this in Vegas Pro?

    File formats

    1. Can you use the Stereoscopic 3D Adjust filter on footage from the 3D Bloggie?
    2. Does Vegas Pro support the Cineform Neo 3D codec?
    3. Does Vegas Pro support bit rates higher than 25 Mbs?
    4. Can Vegas Pro read AVCHD metadata?

    How to import and work with stereoscopic files

    1. How can I bring in a stereoscopic logo with an alpha channel to float within a 3D scene?
    2. Do you have to have the left-eye clip on top and right-eye clip on the bottom when pairing up 3D clips in your timeline?
    3. How does one determine the best angle difference (horizontal offset) between the two cameras to use when shooting 3d footage?
    4. Is it better to set the project properties before you add the 3D media or after?
    5. Once separate left and right clips are joined, is there a way to apply video plug-in processing on the left and right clips separately?
    6. When activating the Stereoscopic 3D mode in the Project Properties dialog box, the colors and contrast is changed, even if the output is done as separate left and right views. Why is this?
    7. The biggest issue we have with Vegas is that it is not possible to un-pair a 3D clip from two separate cameras if we find a sync issue while editing. How can we slip either L or R for one clip in the case of out of sync or camera drift has taken a once-synched L/R pair and made it off by a frame or two?
    8. When I’m pairing my left- and right-eye clips, I've never had to worry about what track my clip is on. I import my two clips into my Project Media window, select them both, and then create a stereoscopic sub-clip. What is all this talk of left-eye on top, and right-eye below?

    Preview video in 3D

    1. How can I set up Vegas Pro to use NVIDIA 3D vision graphics cards?

    Deliver a 3D video

    1. Can I create video which can be watched on real Sony 3D TV
    2. Can you deliver a 3D project as 2D? I have HDR-TD10 camera. How can I export HDR-TD10 content as left and right eye separately?
    3. How can I render the 3D timeline?
    4. It appears that you have to first ask your clients what format they have for 3D display, correct?
    5. What is the preferred stereoscopic mode for playback on a 3D TV that uses active shutter glasses?
    6. What is the recommended rendering type and set up for 3D HD on YouTube?
    7. I'm interested in playing back my 3D projects on the Playstation 3. I've got side-by-side stuff working pretty well, but I'd like to be able to output my files in a format more native to the PS3 so it detects automatically without the need to fiddle with TV settings (required for side by side). My main problem is getting information on the correct file types to use. Do you have any insight into this?

    DVD and blu-ray authoring

    1. How can I create 3D menus in DVD Architect Pro?
    2. Can I bring my 3D renders into DVD Architect Pro?
    3. Is DVD Architect Pro still necessary for menu creation?
    4. How can I author a 3D Blu-ray disc with menus, etc?

    General workflow

    1. How do I eliminate audio static from my video?
    2. How can I do a time correction? For example, a time correction is needed for AVCHD dual camera recordings since the cameras do not record frame accurate so one needs to time shift one view by maybe one or more frames.
    3. Does “Left” mean "Stage Left”?
    4. Has there been any stereoscopic integration made to the Track Motion tools?
    5. If a Stereoscopic 3D video is shot with two cameras, can these be any regular cameras?

    Technical specifications and support

    1. Are you aware that Sony Vegas is not bringing in 5.1 clips from the Sony HDR-TD10 without producing severe distortion on playback?
    2. Automatic alignment is only possible if the stereoscopic clip is in track 1 or track 2 - from track 3 on the automatic alignment doesn’t work anymore.
    3. Please note that I cannot update to the new release 10.0d due to "error 1603 during installation". Can you help?
    4. Are Fuji *.mpo files supported?
    5. Vegas Pro crashes when I use specific clips in my timeline. Trimming some frames off at the beginning seems to help. Why is this happening?
    6. Your opening slide says MVC import but yet the JVC 3D camera files are not supported. Why is only the Sony camera supported?
    7. What are the benefits of Cuda enabled technology with regard to the stereoscopic 3D workflow?
    8. What are system requirements for working with 3D in Vegas Pro (memory, CPU, etc.)?
    9. I have no anaglyph preview with *.m2t video recorded from a Sony HDR-XR500. This can be solved?
    10. What are the benefits of Cuda enabled technology with regard to the stereoscopic 3D workflow?

    Working with audio

    1. The HDR-TD10 has 5.1 surround sound. How can we display all the channels when importing the files into Vegas Pro?

    Training resources

    1. Where can I find detailed and complete technical information on how to deliver final 3D projects, including sound tracks, for feature films (Real D) and TV?

    Product suggestions and feature requests

    1. Why has network rendering been dropped from Vegas Pro 10?
    2. When will Vegas be able to export *.mpo files, not just ingest it?
    3. Will Vegas Movie Studio Platinum get any 3D features in the future?
    4. Is it possible to use the Sony 3D Laptop (for example, the VAIO VPC-F21) for a playback with 3D-shutter glasses direct out of Vegas Pro?

    Stereoscopic 3D Adjust filter

    Are there tools for tuning 3D depth alignment?

    Yes. Use the Horizontal Offset slider in the Stereoscopic 3D Adjust plug-in to make 3D depth alignment changes.


    The values used in the Stereoscopic 3D Adjust filter are not specific units. Why aren’t these values displayed as pixels or degrees?

    Since Vegas Pro is resolution independent, we can’t use pixels or other specific units for most of the parameters. Instead, Horizontal and Vertical offset are measured in fractions of width and height. Zoom and Keystone are handled similarly. Rotation is one parameter that doesn’t depend on resolution, so we do measure rotation in degrees.


    Can you use the 3D plug-in to turn 2D videos into 3D videos?

    The Stereoscopic 3D Adjust plug-in cannot transform 2D videos into 3D videos. It can be used, however, to position 2D objects in the 3D field as the presenter did with the text in his project. This question was discussed during our Q&A session in the live webinar, so check the video for further details.


    When I use my Bloggie3D, I sometimes need to align the material. Is there something wrong?

    Not necessarily. The 3D Bloggie has fixed left and right lenses so there is less possibility of misalignment problems compared to a 3D rig where the two different cameras and lenses have a greater chance of horizontal, vertical, zoom, keystone or rotational differences. However, if you hold your Bloggie 3D at an angle when you shoot (as an example) you may end up with rotational and vertical problems that require correction.


    How can we animate the settings in the Stereoscopic Adjust plug-in?

    In the Stereoscopic 3D Adjust plug-in, click the Animate button for one of the available parameters to add a Curve lane for that parameter in the keyframe controller area. Each time you animate another parameter, Vegas Pro adds a new Curve timeline. Position your cursor in the keyframe timeline and make changes to the parameters. This adds Keyframes and records your changes. This question was discussed during the Q&A session of the live webinar, so check the video for further details.


    How can I determine the far point deviation? For large screens like cinema productions the far point should not be larger than 1% but how do you calculate this in Vegas Pro?

    The “Horizontal offset” parameter in the Stereoscopic 3D Adjust filter works in “fractions of screen width”, so 1% is 0.010. In other words, if you have an object at screen depth (zero parallax) when this setting is 0.000, it will have positive parallax of 1% of the screen width when the setting is 0.010. For a 1920 pixel wide image, this equates to 19.2 pixels, which would be 2.5” of parallax on a 250” wide cinematic screen. So a way to measure parallax is to see how far you have to adjust Horizontal offset to line up the objects. For more information, please check the “Alignment and Adjustments” section of our Editing Stereoscopic 3D in Vegas Pro 10 workflow paper.


    File formats

    Can you use the Stereoscopic 3D Adjust filter on footage from the 3D Bloggie?

    Yes, you can apply the Stereoscopic 3D Adjust filter to any video including video from a 3D Bloggie.


    Does Vegas Pro support the Cineform Neo 3D codec?

    Yes. Vegas Pro 10 can open Neo3D with the free NeoPlayer, or with NeoHD, Neo4K, or Neo3D installed. You can render Neo3D with any of NeoHD, Neo4K, or Neo3D installed.


    Does Vegas Pro support bit rates higher than 25 Mbs?

    Yes, but be aware that different formats may have different maximum bit rates. For example, you can render to the MXF format at a bit rate up to 50 Mbps.


    Can Vegas Pro read AVCHD metadata?

    Certain AVCHD metadata, yes.


    How to import and work with stereoscopic files

    How can I bring in a stereoscopic logo with an alpha channel to float within a 3D scene?

    First, determine what type of stereoscopic format the logo file uses. For example, is your image side-by-side or do you have two separate files—one for left and another for right? Once you determine that, import it into your project and take the steps discussed during the webinar to apply the necessary 3D settings. To overlay a graphic on your video, drag your logo or graphic onto a track above the video track. Now you can apply the Stereoscopic 3D Adjust filter if you think the file needs adjustment to make it work more effectively with your 3D scene.


    Do you have to have the left-eye clip on top and right-eye clip on the bottom when pairing up 3D clips in your timeline?

    Yes, for this process to work correctly, you must place the left-eye clip on a track above the right-eye clip before you pair them. This question was discussed during the live webinar, so check the video for further discussion.


    How does one determine the best angle difference (horizontal offset) between the two cameras to use when shooting 3d footage?

    It is important to limit the amount and direction of horizontal offset to create comfortable depth. The average distance between human eyes is about 2 ½ inches. When the objects in your video diverge more than this, the viewer must focus outside of what is comfortable and natural. Therefore, make sure to avoid divergence where the left-eye picture would appear more than 2.5 inches to the left of the right-eye picture on the largest screen where your movie will be shown. For example, if the largest screen to be used is 16:9 with a 106-inch diagonal, the width is 87% of the diagonal, or about 92 inches. With 1920x1080 content, 2.5 inches is only 52 pixels, so in this case make sure your distant objects are never more than 52 pixels apart.


    Is it better to set the project properties before you add the 3D media or after?

    It should probably be considered best practice to establish your 3D settings and other project properties before you import any media. You may have noticed that in the presentation the presenter forgot to do so and that Vegas Pro gives you the flexibility to change the properties even after adding media. To open the Project Properties dialog box, choose File | Properties.


    Once separate left and right clips are joined, is there a way to apply video plug-in processing on the left and right clips separately?

    Yes. You apply video effects the same way as you would in 2D projects. You can insert video effects to events, tracks, clips in your Project Media window, or to the master Video Output FX. In the Video FX window inside a 3D project, the button in the effects chain has two Activate checkboxes as opposed to the standard one checkbox that normally appears in 2D projects. Deselect the Left Activate or Right Activate checkbox to bypass the left or right video stream and now any adjustments you make to the filter affects just the video stream you leave active.


    When activating the Stereoscopic 3D mode in the Project Properties dialog box, the colors and contrast is changed, even if the output is done as separate left and right views. Why is this?

    Anaglyphic stereoscopic 3D trades color fidelity for stereoscopic separation. When you use the anaglyphic modes, the images are desaturated a little to prevent retinal rivalry for colors that are close the color filters. For example, if you have an image with a red ball, without desaturation the ball would appear too bright in the red side of red/cyan anaglyphic, and too dark in the cyan side, making the image hard to fuse.


    The biggest issue we have with Vegas is that it is not possible to un-pair a 3D clip from two separate cameras if we find a sync issue while editing. How can we slip either L or R for one clip in the case of out of sync or camera drift has taken a once-synched L/R pair and made it off by a frame or two?

    You’re right, that’s not easy. We will take that under consideration and try to add a way to replace or adjust paired clips as easily as you can replace regular media.


    When I’m pairing my left- and right-eye clips, I've never had to worry about what track my clip is on. I import my two clips into my Project Media window, select them both, and then create a stereoscopic sub-clip. What is all this talk of left-eye on top, and right-eye below?

    When you pair your stereoscopic 3D subclips in the timeline, you must place the left-eye clip above the right-eye clip before you pair them. The advantage to this workflow is that you can adjust the synchronization between your clips before you pair them together. The method you mention is also an acceptable option if the two files that comprise your stereo media have synchronized timecode. To pair clips in the Project Media window, select the left and right-eye clips. Right-click one of the selected clips and choose Pair as Stereoscopic 3D Subclip from the shortcut menu. After you pair the two clips, verify that the stereoscopic 3D subclip that you pair has properly combined the left and right streams.


    Preview video in 3D

    How can I set up Vegas Pro to use NVIDIA 3D vision graphics cards?

    To set the stereoscopic 3D preview mode for your external video preview device, choose Options | Preferences and click the Preview Device tab. If you have an NVIDIA graphics card that supports 3D Vision technology and a 3D Vision monitor, choose the Stereoscopic 3D Graphics Card setting from the Device drop-down list and choose Left and Right from the Stereoscopic 3D mode drop-down list.


    Deliver a 3D video

    Can I create video which can be watched on real Sony 3D TV

    You can use Vegas Pro to create the files you need to play on any television (Sony or not) that supports one of the stereoscopic 3D playback modes that Vegas creates. Once you determine what mode your target television requires and you're ready to render, choose File | Render As. In the Render As dialog box, click the Custom button. In the Custom Settings dialog box, click the Project tab. Choose the mode you need from the Stereoscopic 3D mode drop-down list and click OK. Then click Save to render the project.


    Can you deliver a 3D project as 2D? I have HDR-TD10 camera. How can I export HDR-TD10 content as left and right eye separately?

    To deliver your 3D project to a 2D format, choose File | Render As. In the Render As dialog box, choose the desired format from the Save as type drop-down list. Next, click the Custom button. In the Custom Settings dialog box, click the Project tab. Choose Left only or Right only from the Stereoscopic 3D mode drop-down list and click OK. Then click Save to render the project. This question was answered during the Q&A session of the live webinar, so check the video for further discussion.


    How can I render the 3D timeline?

    To render a 3D project, choose File | Render As. Specify your save location, give the file a name, and choose a format from the Save as type drop-down list. The Stereoscopic 3D mode setting that you specified in the Project Properties dialog box determines the default 3D format that Vegas Pro uses for the render process. If you need to override that default, click the Custom button. In the Custom Settings dialog box, click the Project tab. Choose the mode you need from the Stereoscopic 3D mode drop-down list and click OK. Then click Save to render the project. This topic was discussed during the live webinar, so check the video for further details.


    It appears that you have to first ask your clients what format they have for 3D display, correct?

    That’s correct. You must always consider who will watch this video and what screen it will be played on. This applies to all projects, whether 2D or 3D. With 3D projects, you must also consider the types of 3D glasses your audience will wear to view the video. With Vegas Pro, you can choose from a wide variety of render options for 2D and 3D formats and you have the ability to customize any video you deliver.


    What is the preferred stereoscopic mode for playback on a 3D TV that uses active shutter glasses?

    3D televisions that use active shutter technology play alternate-frame sequencing 3D video. This video displays alternating, full-resolution left and right frames at double the normal frame rate. If your video is different than what the television understands natively, there are usually 3D settings in the television menu that you can manually adjust so that it understands the format of your video.


    What is the recommended rendering type and set up for 3D HD on YouTube?

    YouTube recommends that you upload video in side-by-side half Left/Right and accepts a variety of video formats such as MPEG4, AVI, WMV, and MOV. You can find more information about uploading files on help pages at YouTube.com.


    I'm interested in playing back my 3D projects on the Playstation 3. I've got side-by-side stuff working pretty well, but I'd like to be able to output my files in a format more native to the PS3 so it detects automatically without the need to fiddle with TV settings (required for side by side). My main problem is getting information on the correct file types to use. Do you have any insight into this?

    Blu-ray 3D discs play in the PS3 on a 3D TV, but for file-based formats, rendering side-by-side files from Vegas (and manually setting your TV to that 3D mode) is the way to go today.


    DVD and blu-ray authoring

    How can I create 3D menus in DVD Architect Pro?

    DVD Architect Pro does not feature any 3D menu creation tools at this time. However, we’ve logged this as a feature request and passed it along to our developers. In the meantime however, you can certainly import 3D video or artwork to use as the menu background. You could also create 3D button artwork in your image-editing application and import that art into your DVD Architect project. With a little creative thought, you can create the 3D menus you’re after in the current version of DVD Architect.


    Can I bring my 3D renders into DVD Architect Pro?

    In most cases, yes. Just add your 3D rendered file to your DVD Architect project as you would 2D files.


    Is DVD Architect Pro still necessary for menu creation?

    Yes. DVD Architect Pro or DVD Architect Studio are required in order to author a DVD or Blu-ray disc with menu functionality.


    How can I author a 3D Blu-ray disc with menus, etc?

    To author a full-resolution 3D Blu-ray disc with menus and full Blu-ray functionality, you need to use Sony Blu-print. You can author a Blu-ray disc that contains 3D material in DVD Architect Pro, but this will not be a full-resolution 3DBD disc. For full-resolution, full functionality 3DBD, you’ll need to use Sony Blu-print. Follow this link to learn more about Blu-print: http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/bluprint.


    General workflow

    How do I eliminate audio static from my video?

    The Track EQ and Track Noise Gate plug-ins help clean up audio and can reduce noise. With the Track EQ you can adjust the volume of specific frequencies in your audio track. If the static in your audio track exists at a particular frequency, use the parameters in this EQ to lower that frequency. The Noise Gate filters out any sound below a predetermined threshold value. Apply this plug-in to a track to remove the static noise that occurs during the time your desired audio source is not active. If the static exists during desired audio sections, you may not be able to do much about it without also adversely affecting the desired audio. As usual, the best way to solve this problem is to avoid it in the first place if at all possible.


    How can I do a time correction? For example, a time correction is needed for AVCHD dual camera recordings since the cameras do not record frame accurate so one needs to time shift one view by maybe one or more frames.

    If you notice time drift once you’ve synchronized your clips, you can slow one clip down or speed the other up slightly to compensate for the slightly different camera speeds. To do this, hold the Crtl key as you trim the edge of the event. Making the event longer causes a reduction in speed (slow motion) while making the event shorter speeds the event up. To change the speed by the numbers, right-click the event and choose Properties from the menu. On the Video Event tab of the Properties dialog box, change the Playback rate setting to your desired setting and click OK. You can keep trying different playback rates until you find the setting that works the best. Once you find that magic setting, make a note of it so that on your next project you’ll have an idea of where to start to correct drift problems on that project.


    Does “Left” mean "Stage Left”?

    In this case, “Left” refers to the left-eye stream in stereoscopic video.


    Has there been any stereoscopic integration made to the Track Motion tools?

    Yes. We’ve added a new property to the Track Motion window when you have your project set up for 3D. To see this, in a 3D project click the Track Motion button on a video track. Next, select 3D Source Alpha from the Composite Mode drop-down list. Click the Expand button for the Stereoscopic 3D Camera property heading. Here you can use the Lens Separation and Depth Adjust parameters to create simulated stereoscopic 3D effects.


    If a Stereoscopic 3D video is shot with two cameras, can these be any regular cameras?

    Yes. There doesn't have to be anything special about the individual cameras. However, you'll get the best results if you use the identical model camera for both and use identical settings on the cameras so that the images they shoot will be as closely matched as possible. You'll also want to make sure that the cameras are mounted together in a very specific manner so that you don't have alignment problems. Vegas Pro 10 features the new Stereoscopic 3D Adjust filter to solve many alignment problems, but it's best not to have the problems to begin with!


    Technical specifications and support

    Are you aware that Sony Vegas is not bringing in 5.1 clips from the Sony HDR-TD10 without producing severe distortion on playback?

    We are aware of an issue related to audio distortion in Vegas Pro 10.0d. This issue is specific to TD10 3D video clips that contain Dolby Digital AC3 5.1 audio and we are working on a fix.


    Automatic alignment is only possible if the stereoscopic clip is in track 1 or track 2 - from track 3 on the automatic alignment doesn’t work anymore.

    We are not aware of any issues like this one. We recommend that you download and install the most current updated version of Vegas Pro 10 here - www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/updates. If this does not resolve your problem, please contact customer service.


    Please note that I cannot update to the new release 10.0d due to "error 1603 during installation". Can you help?

    Please see this knowledgebase article to further troubleshoot this problem: http://www.custcenter.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5033.


    Are Fuji *.mpo files supported?

    There is a known issue supporting these files in the current version of Vegas Pro. We are aware of it and working on a fix.


    Vegas Pro crashes when I use specific clips in my timeline. Trimming some frames off at the beginning seems to help. Why is this happening?

    We are not aware of any issues like this one. Download and install the most current updated version of Vegas Pro 10 at www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/updates. If this does not resolve your problem, please contact customer service.


    Your opening slide says MVC import but yet the JVC 3D camera files are not supported. Why is only the Sony camera supported?

    Different camera manufacturers use different techniques to create their MVC files. Since MVC is a video-only codec, the camera has to wrap the video into another format that does support audio so that the camera can give you both audio and video. This is why you might have noticed that the files that come off of your camera do not have an .mvc file extension. There may be many reasons why the files from the JVC camera are not supported in Vegas Pro at this time. We are certainly aware of the issue and considering how to address it for the future.


    What are the benefits of Cuda enabled technology with regard to the stereoscopic 3D workflow?

    The benefits of CUDA-enabled or ATI OpenCL-enabled GPUs in Vegas Pro 10 are the same for 3D and 2D projects. If your PC uses this hardware, Vegas Pro includes support for GPU-accelerated AVC rendering using the Sony AVC plug-in.


    What are system requirements for working with 3D in Vegas Pro (memory, CPU, etc.)?

    The Vegas Pro product page (http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegaspro) lists the system requirements. We recommend a multi-core or multiprocessor CPU for HD or stereoscopic 3D.


    I have no anaglyph preview with *.m2t video recorded from a Sony HDR-XR500. This can be solved?

    We haven’t heard of this issue. We recommend that you download and install the most current updated version of Vegas Pro 10 here - www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/updates. If this does not resolve your problem, please contact customer service for further support.


    What are the benefits of Cuda enabled technology with regard to the stereoscopic 3D workflow?

    The Sony AVC encoder uses CUDA or OpenCL technology to leverage your GPU to accelerate encoding. However, at this time, the MVC encoding is not GPU accelerated.


    Working with audio

    The HDR-TD10 has 5.1 surround sound. How can we display all the channels when importing the files into Vegas Pro?

    Just add the file to the timeline as usual. Vegas pro breaks the audio channels out to multiple audio tracks. To hear the project on a 5.1 surround-sound system and adjust the audio panning in the 5.1 field, choose File | Properties. Click the Audio tab in the Project Properties dialog. Select 5.1 Surround from the Master bus mode drop-down list. Click OK.


    Training resources

    Where can I find detailed and complete technical information on how to deliver final 3D projects, including sound tracks, for feature films (Real D) and TV?

    Information about the Vegas Pro 3D workflow is available in previous webinars and in the Vegas Pro Seminar Series training package which are available at www.sonycreativesoftware.com/training. The Seminar Series training DVD in particular provides a detailed step-by-step look at these features and provides all of the media that the instructor uses so that you can follow along with him. The “3D in Vegas Pro 10.0” whitepaper (found here http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/whitepapers/vegaspro3d) also includes detailed information about the Vegas Pro 10 3D workflow. Besides these Sony provided materials, there are also numerous other sources available on the internet. With regards to how a specific project needs to be delivered, the first step is to talk with your client about their specific requirements.


    Product suggestions and feature requests

    Why has network rendering been dropped from Vegas Pro 10?

    Workstation capabilities have increased dramatically due to the advanced power of modern CPU and GPU processing. Our current focus is to embrace and harness these current technologies.


    When will Vegas be able to export *.mpo files, not just ingest it?

    We haven’t made any announcements about future offerings, but we’ve logged this as a product suggestion.


    Will Vegas Movie Studio Platinum get any 3D features in the future?

    We haven’t made any announcements about future offerings for Vegas Movie Studio Platinum at this time, but we’ve logged this question as a feature request.


    Is it possible to use the Sony 3D Laptop (for example, the VAIO VPC-F21) for a playback with 3D-shutter glasses direct out of Vegas Pro?

    Currently, that feature is not supported. However, we’ve logged this question as a feature request.







     
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